Marvin Shilmer

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  For those of you that are disfellowshipped, How Far Would Your Faithfull JW Family Go To Stay Loyal to The WT?

  by John Aquila in

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  2. beliefs

  ive seen jw parents shun their disfellowshipped children for 20-30 years.

  ive seen parents remove disfellowshipped or fader children from wills and give the inheritance to the watchtower..

  if your country got run over by some form of government like the nazi regime and started a process of eliminating any groups or individuals who it considered a threat.

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  There are members of my family who I think would be willing to stone a person to death if Watchtower doctrine dictated it and it were legal to do so. And, why wouldn't there be? Religiously inspired capital punishment has a long-held tradition among humankind, and in some societies is practiced to this day.
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  Does anyone pray and if so to who?

  by duc007az in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's been years since i've prayed and the last one i prayed to was the god known as jehovah.

  just wondering.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Recently I saw a cartoon of a little boy riding a bicycle. The little boy exclaimed, "I thought about asking in prayer for a bicycle but realized God didn't work that way. So I stole this one and asked God for forgiveness, in prayer of course."

  Like so much else, knowing how the system works is often the ticket to getting there.
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  Need Help with Blood Transfusion Illustration

  by Dissonant15 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  please, who can provide an intelligent rebuttal to the following illustration?

  i always thought it was bullet-proof:.

  "if your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be ok to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

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  If your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be OK to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

  If a religious doctrine would have us abstain from transfusion of fresh frozen plasma would it be OK to let cryosupernatant and cryoprecipitate be injected into our veins?
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  Need Help with Blood Transfusion Illustration

  by Dissonant15 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  please, who can provide an intelligent rebuttal to the following illustration?

  i always thought it was bullet-proof:.

  "if your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be ok to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Actually, the blood/alcohol analogy is correct as far as consuming any substance by needle or by mouth.

  That's just plain ole stupid.

  Here's a substance: potable water

  If you drink potable water it hydrates your tissue, which is a good thing. If you transfuse potable water it kills you, which is a bad thing.

  Here's another substance: alcohol

  Doctors who've advised a patient to abstain from alcohol do not abstaining from transfusing alcohol to the same patient if the administration protects the patient from death.
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  Need Help with Blood Transfusion Illustration

  by Dissonant15 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  please, who can provide an intelligent rebuttal to the following illustration?

  i always thought it was bullet-proof:.

  "if your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be ok to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  If your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be OK to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

  Yes. It would.

  A doctor tells a patient to abstain from alcohol if the patient's use of alcohol is bad for his health. But if the same patient shows up at an emergency room with ethyl glycol poisoning he'll likely have alcohol administered to counteract the deadly effect. In each case (i.e., abstention and administration) the reason is the same: best interest of the patient.
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  Why isn't demon possession a DF offense?

  by rebel8 in

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  2. friends

  let's review: it's a cult!.

  allrighty--got thinking about it in this thread.

  isn't it odd that, of all things, that isn't on the list of df offenses?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Why not?

  Because then Watchtower would have to start with its own higher-ups. One actually confessed to being under "DEMONICAL CONTROL"

  Edited to add: He looked a little like that gal pictured above, too!
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  Today's Special Day Assembly Expenses and the $10,499 Deficit. Silent Majority?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today i attended a one-day assembly in my hometown.

  i knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.

  sure enough, after lunch came the announcement.

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  Expenses for these events are always phony. Usually the biggest "expense" occurs the result of elders voting to accept a recommended donation to Watchtower's World Wide Work fund. It's a scam.
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  Theocratic War Strategy and Watchtower lawyer Vincent Toole...

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  2. scandals

  remember brother toole's testimony to the royal commission that he was unaware of watchtower theocratic war doctrine, and that he didn't know what it means?

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  well wait until you read the letter i just posted on my blog: theocratic war strategy in action?

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  Yes. The letter found in my blog posting has been sent to the Royal Commission.

  Something that really stood out to me during Toole's testimony was his constant deflection suggesting that because he worked in Watchtower's Legal Department he was not too well versed about goings on in Watchtower's Service Department.

  The problem I have with this is that before Toole worked in the Legal Department he worked nearly 10 years as a Circuit Overseer, and Circuit Overseer are part of the Service Department. In fact, as a Circuit Overseer Toole was sent to congregations under direct supervision of the Service Department for purposes of representing Watchtower through the lens of all things "Service Department" because that's who he reported to. To then claim ignorance of things "Service Department" is patently absurd, not to mention dishonest.
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  Frederick W. Franz and September 5, 1975

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.jw-archive.org/post/128775480828/frederick-w-franz-and-september-5-1975#disqus_thread

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  I think this audio should be the October Broadcast!

  Why not? It fits right in with all the current kookiness coming from "the voice of GOD" (read: Guardians of Doctrine).
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  Theocratic War Strategy and Watchtower lawyer Vincent Toole...

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  remember brother toole's testimony to the royal commission that he was unaware of watchtower theocratic war doctrine, and that he didn't know what it means?

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  well wait until you read the letter i just posted on my blog: theocratic war strategy in action?

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  There's something fundamentally bizarre about using "theocratic warfare" to try to refute the concept of "theocratic warfare".

  Yes, there is. In the world of Theocratic Warfare (TW) "lying" takes on a special meaning that precludes intentional deception when the subject is supposedly a threat to the Kingdom's interests. Hence TW practitioners find themselves asserting that they are not lying even when they're intentionally deceiving!